UFOs discovered to have accompanied space missions 
William S. Stoertz 
August 28, 1996 
Moscow, Russia, C.I.S. 
 
(4:13 pm) 
WS -- What is this? 
HF -- That"s right. What do you say? 
WS -- Of course. What are (were) they? 
HF -- Accompaniment. Don"t you think? 
WS -- Yes, of course. Angels? 
HF -- Angels and good spirits. Actually I was quite interested 
when people took off to other planets (the moon). It really has 
quite a significance because it is the next step on to the universal 
level. Don"t you think I also accompanied the voyage of 
Columbus, and others, (like the Pilgrims)? You don"t have to 
make it strange. 
WS -- Why would they have concealed the knowledge for 20 
years? 
HF -- Just because of that, that people couldn"t handle it. They 
were just not ready for it. Now, they are, and, I"m afraid, you 
(all) will have to get used to it. You see, now is a different time, 
and the Messiah is here, and when you are going on your 
interstellar missions, you have to know clearly that it is the 
concern of Heaven and earth, and you will be accompanied, and 
supported. On the other hand, you better not do wrong. Why? 
Because Satan has been defeated, and there will be swift 
judgment. He has no foundation to meddle on the cosmic 
(universal, extraterrestrial) level. That is all implicit in Father"s 
victory. 
WS -- Why could these things be photographed? 
HF -- Photos are spiritual. Don"t you know? Photos often 
capture ghosts or spirits; also, how do you think Father is able 
to match all those people through photos, unless the photos 
convey something absolute? 
WS -- So what are these 7space ships* which the UFOs appear 
as? 
HF -- Space ships. Yeah, you just can"t go zooming around in a 
vacuum. There is always a subject-object relationship. You 
know very well Heung Jin Nim was seen to travel in this way. 
In the flying V formation, with saints, and he at the head. 
WS -- To what extent is it physical? 
HF -- Well, first of all, you can see it. It is basically coming out 
of the sung-sang realm, or the spiritual realm, and impinging or 
interfacing with the hyung-sang realm. In two ways: (1) free 
space, which is very substantial and responsive to sung-sang; 
and (2) your eyes or spiritual eyes themselves are sensitive to 
the spiritual world directly. Spiritual phenomena usually have 
domains associated with them, in relationship to earthly 
phenomena. 
WS -- Would the UFOs accompany the spacecraft at 36,000 
feet per second? 
HF -- (Yawn) 
WS -- Would they need a base or station? Like something 
reported to have been seen on the back side of the Moon, or on 
Mars? 
HF -- Yes. It is not so much because they need it, but also it is 
convenient, and it is like a home away from home. 
WS -- What are the interface points? 
HF -- Somewhere out in the cosmos is a great home for spirits, 
central and peripheral (locations). Likewise, the earth is the 
busy place we are interested in -- you. You witness, and 
although it seems small to you, it is time that counts for us. We 
are watching, and when you do your responsibility, we will 
move. It is the time. Believe Father. 
WS -- Sorry; with Your permission, I want to ask one more 
question. What is the reported 7shining lava* appearance on the 
bottom surface of the UFOs sighted by NASA around the 
moon? 
HF -- You really want to know? 
WS -- Not personally, but it is something unexplained, and it 
should be asked. 
HF -- Propulsion device. 
WS -- Propulsion for what? 
HF -- The object. Aren"t you primarily concerned about 
propulsion? 
WS -- Yes, that"s true. But why would spiritual equipment need 
propulsion? 
HF -- Analogy. Suspension. (in space-time medium, the field). 
Now you"re there, and where are you going to go? You decide 
by mind, but not carelessly or haphazardly. Mind has to be 
subject, but then it also has to be expressed in the physical 
medium, that is, the hyung-sang medium of the spiritual world. 
Furthermore, it is interacting in that sense or fashion with the 
physical world. What is the 7shining lava*? Light trying to 
interact with something that is very un-physical. There is an 
interaction surface, or interface. There you see strange things. 
What the light is interacting with is the place where matter just 
about disappears. It is like a red shift effect. 
WS -- How is the hyung-sang manifestation of the spiritual 
body suspended in space? 
HF -- ...in the presence of a gravity field. Well, in one sense, it 
could just go right through (The field could go right through the 
spiritual object). But, no, even that space is warped, so where is 
the zero point? It would be falling. Like a black hole is very 
bright, in the opposite way, the interaction surface becomes 
very dull, glowing or shimmering. If you draw the curved line 
(of the gravity field, where it meets the interaction surface), it 
bends steeply... 
WS -- Up or down? 
HF -- I"m trying to think... It"s down, because you have it 
reversed. I"m trying to see what your picture is. You see, it 
won"t fall. 
WS -- This could go on. What do You think about, if we were 
to attempt to use this for our more physical transportation? 
HF -- You will. But you will have to await a technology much 
superior to what you have now. Don"t you know: I am the God 
who made life, which you are at present so careless and rough 
with.