William S. Stoertz
September 26, 1997
Moscow, Russia
(12:08 am)
WS -- I will certainly be pure and holy and good, and I will ask
Your advice in all things.
HF -- You will?
WS -- Yes.
HF -- And will you listen?
WS -- Yes.
HF -- And will you obey?
WS -- Yes, according to my conscience.
HF -- Good idea. Now whatever comes to mind... How
do I know, if it is true, what you say? What would you say to
that? [examining me closely]
WS -- Yes, indeed, I am sorry I have failed You many times.
HF -- Yes, but you haven't basically failed Me. I grant you that.
You are following your conscience all the time. Your emotion
sometimes gets the better of you. You sometimes have an idea
of your own... you're headstrong... you have arrogance and
pride, but it doesn't destroy you... [Satan: "Oh yeah?"] [God
quiet] The Mastermind of All has an idea that might become
you.
WS -- I would like to be ready to respond.
HF -- Oh yeah? Can you?
WS -- For a starter, why don't I tell that that Satan there also
cooperate? What reason has he to oppose?
HF -- Good idea. What shall we do?
WS -- Set a good standard.
HF -- In what does that consist? You tell Me.
WS -- In the area, we have to be good, and clean, and true...
HF -- What is the most important value, in any area?
WS -- True Love.
HF -- Yeah, but what does that mean concretely, tangibly?
WS -- Living for the sake of others. Why do I have give-and-
take with Satan?
HF -- Because you know that he exists, and you can handle it.
WS -- That's what he needs... actually...
HF -- Don't I know it.
WS -- God, what great projects do You have in mind (in store)?
HF -- To find out, you would have to be like Father. His mind
is different. He does, acts, then speaks, talks about it.
WS -- Then what areas do I have to pursue? Like, what kinds
of witnessing?
HF -- Street witnessing. The basics.
WS -- Something big must have happened with Father.
HF -- Yes. It always does. Since he was a baby (child).
WS -- He's the Messiah. So, now, how can I follow?
HF -- You already are. But the question is, how can I lead?
WS -- One thing I want to ask You, Father: How come You
talk to me, if I am such a person?
HF -- Because you ask, and listen.
WS -- People think it's pretty off the wall, or questionable.
HF -- But if you fill the computer with this, it's the best. Pray
for people. Namelists. Do you know what I mean? Pray for
them. Write them down.
WS -- I write them down, but I don't pray for them enough.
HF -- At least you go over them.
WS -- I want to put something into a circle which goes around
and is complete. How come people study history, and make a
much nicer presentation than I, but don't come up with the right
conclusion, as far as involving in the right concrete action, and
connecting with True Parents? What is their falling-down
point?
HF -- A lot of people study history, but what they don't see is
God behind it all, the purpose behind and in all of it. So they
don't understand the goal. They don't come close.
WS -- Some people are effective in acting in the real world,
more than we...
HF -- That is My sorrow and grief...
WS -- Why is that? How can we be more effective?
HF -- It takes a long time, a lifetime. One thing is absolute
dedication and diligence, absolute desperation. Most (many)
worldly people have that. But you live in centers. The trouble is,
when you go out into the world by yourself, you are overcome
by the world, and do worse, instead of dominating it. Nobody
has dominated it yet, for God. See, the history is amazing. Such
a thing as the World War II, with absolute goodness and evil.
See how hard I worked for that?
WS -- If we are following the Messiah, why can't we be like
him?
HF -- Because you are following. He is leading. You should
lead, in order to be like him.
WS -- Lead what?
HF -- Concern about people, and Providence, and your city,
and what's going on in the immediate providential situation
around you, where you are effective.
WS -- In what way am I effective? Here, I mean.
HF -- Number one, you can do your job, and do your best at it.
Number two, you can help to take the load off Chris. There are
many instances of that, where you did nothing. What are you
scared of?
WS -- Losing my peace of mind. I got negative about that
before.
HF -- I know. You'll have to go over that.
WS -- What if I go back to the things that are less heartbreaking
for me?
Is there an End?
HF -- To what?
WS -- All the suffering. No, that is not what I am trying to say.
...When You look at the universe, and this time, and the whole
thing, you may see 150 billion years into the future and...
HF -- No -- it's not like that. There is only the present. I live in
the Ideal in My Heart, but it is not a reality. That's why I want
to make it a reality, and I feel just as much pain as you do, more
so. Because this is what is, and it is unacceptable.
WS -- In other words, You care about this real, present
situation.
HF -- Yes, I am right here. I am locked into it like you.
WS -- Why do we have a feeling or consciousness of time?
HF -- Because you are built like that. The cycles or rhythms are
part of you, and you identify with them. You are always on a
certain part of this roller coaster or ferris wheel going around,
and you feel a part of it. When you don't, then you don't have a
consciousness of time.
WS -- Where did calculus come from?
HF -- Me. Straight from Me. Because it is true.
WS -- What is it saying, essentially?
HF -- That you have a body, but in three dimensions, and they
are at right angles to each other, and, centering on your body,
they are coupled. Then there is a relationship -- it is relational,
centering on your body, or a certain point. Each point is like an
eye ("I").
WS -- Why does time relate?
HF -- Because I made it that way. Centered on points. Or
people. Take gravity, for example. Gravity draws time and
space together. And not only in the way that Einstein intended,
meaning the curvature or bending of space. But, rather, even in
a Euclidean sense, gravity defines the relationship between time
and space centering on mass. It is force. Force is a mass and
time (space and time) relationship. Even without Einstein. That
is, even without relativity, or relativistic deformations.
WS -- How were the directions or orientations of time and
space decided.
HF -- They were uniformly in a circle, in all directions, at the
Big Bang, and you just happened to be at a certain configuration
among them. Means, in your local region of space (very huge),
all the space and time vectors are roughly equal.
WS -- Photonic synchronicity is a very curious matter. Is it
true? That the start and finish are at the same time?
HF -- For the photon it doesn't matter. Whether it goes back or
forth. You can think it goes over and then back again, then it's
the same time -- but it's not. You have to see the Feynman
diagrams for the photon. When it comes back, after having
traveled there from one side, it's not the same time at all.
WS -- Then why are they at the same time?
HF -- Because they're coordinated, but they can't go back. That
is, it's a subject and object relationship. There is an absolute
subject. That is the time determiner. You can't play with it,
because it is real. It is a little different from a matter of
experiment, because it is not at all objective, but rather
completely subjective. That's why we can truly say, "Time is
subjective". But not subjective in the sense that it is just
according to your own self -- rather, it is according to True
Parents in the center of the Providence. That is extremely
subjective. Don't forget -- I made the universe! Then I who
made it also made it subjectively. That is, it is the object, and I
am the subject. But I Myself bow down to the True Parents
who become the masters of all. Then when the True Children
come, there is a subject and object related to generations. The
law is very clear.
WS -- Would there be any contradictions or paradoxes?
HF -- No more than in your daily life, which is full of them
anyway, and you do just fine.
WS -- Do I follow Your intuition correctly?
HF -- You're doing surprisingly well.
WS -- You must have a whole shipload of stuff to tell me
which You just can't get through to me.
HF -- This is your job. To convey this. Mainly to get this
down, in the first place. Because maybe there won't be another
opportunity for generations.
WS -- It's hard to believe it's so special.
HF -- Look at Plato. Or Shakespeare. Or Einstein. Or
Tchaikovsky. For them, it was just rote stuff. But for history...
Every moment was precious. And Father!
WS -- So I'll keep on going. I need to approach some areas that
aren't being sufficiently covered. And find out what questions
need to be answered. Lookit: space travel. I really need to
know: Do we need it? Do You want it? What is the direction
and limitations? What are Your warnings to us, at this point;
also in the future?
HF -- Good questions. I'll tell you. Not that I know now... how
you will do ("you" means all of you -- humankind), when the
time comes, and you find out, as they always have, that you are
not alone... [WSS: "But are they dangerous?"] There are all
types.
WS -- That's quite a subject to breach, especially when the
answer is in the affirmative. Why didn't they make contact with
us?
HF -- There's a principle of non-interference. And, at that level,
they are a lot more Principled than you. There's a certain kind
of Principle which they all have to observe. The violation of it...
is like a wave, in other words, you can see angels, or you can
receive miracles, but not all the time, and there is indemnity to
pay, or a long period of nothing, emptiness.
WS -- But those beings are not angels...?
HF -- Well, you might say so. Let's just say so. The case in
point. Now see, they have to behave a certain way, but there's
all kinds of levels and standards, and indemnity situations, with
angels too, as well as with all spirits outside of paradise (and in
Paradise too!). ... But, see, you're not interested in that, or not
rightly so.
WS -- But the issue is space travel. Shall we go? Shall we make
the effort?
HF -- I would say Yes, go ahead. It's to all of you; not
specifically you. You'll find what you have to find, and when
you need it. As it ever has been, in navigation or exploration,
and technology...
WS -- But for technology, You must have some good stuff in
mind. How are we doing as far as that goes? Are we heading in
the right direction? Is what we are doing fruitful or promising?
HF -- Look what's happening, to give an example. Now, as
you can see, they had an accident in space, but they could
handle it. Once it's starting to get tiresome, and there's a certain
horizontal foundation. So I can start to work. All the "oohs"
and "ahhs" are over (It's 1:11:11). So, make a little wave, and
see the human nature...
WS -- Where's it headed?
HF -- Where do you want to go? You're the only prophet or
spokesman I can speak to about this, you know.
WS -- Well, our aim is the stars. Honestly, we made the point
to go to the moon, and our mind is already set on the stars.
Now, it is just tedious going to all the planets in the solar
system. We know we can eventually do that, with enough
investment.
HF -- But, see, now, that's where you will start to learn
something. It requires horizontal extension (expansion,
solidification) before you can (see what will happen/go on).
You are in a sense too hasty. You will have a lot to learn, going
to the planets, the asteroids, the moons, ... . Wait and see.
WS -- Are we in for any surprises?
HF -- Well, what if you found even a speck of life on any one
of them? That would make the most incredible tidal wave,
among all that you are doing, all of your thinking. Because, you
see, the one thing you are lacking (I am speaking to all of you,
not just one) is any kind of consciousness or awareness of
where it all came from, or, namely, the vertical axis at the core
of it all, ubiquitous. Moslem is closer to the true religion, in this
sense. See? Universal direction, orientation, sun, moon, and
star... You will need that. You will have many psychological
problems. How can you go as you are? Two people can't even
sit together and get along for any length of time (without cabin
fever) -- just pretenses! And what is communism? The biggest
pretense of all! You ran a whole nation in that sense, and see
what is happening now? The big lie broke down, and now all
the little lesser lies are going rampant, like nationalism, and
pornography, and selfishness... You haven't even begun.
I want, that, before you will go much further in space,
naturally, you will want to solve the things that are problems on
the earth, like original sin, and for that, see? -- I have sent the
Messiah. How will you go to space, and ignore such a
wondrous event? Frankly, I won't allow it. But you'll go in
good time. Look at your time line.
WS -- And what will we see?
HF -- That we live in the time of the Second Coming.
WS -- And what are the developments?
HF -- The important ones? Those which serve My Son (and
Daughter, and their Family, who are on the earth). See? Your
intention and your concept was different. You should have been
doing all of this to serve the King. But, anyway, without
knowing it, I let you build those things, because, in a different
sense, it would serve the King. (And Queen, and their
Children).
WS -- We live in a kingdom? It is a different concept.
HF -- Yes. You didn't know, that's what I had in mind. But
you should have.
WS -- Will You let us?
HF -- What?
WS -- Serve You?
HF -- Tell My lost children.
WS -- And what shall I tell them?
HF -- That the King is here. Try that.
WS -- We were so disappointed, for such a long time. I mean,
the people wouldn't respond.
HF -- That's because you didn't try hard enough. Try it again.
WS -- Honestly, with such a han. With such an aching,
grieving heart.
HF -- Don't I know about it? I never stopped witnessing to the
people, in their consciences. See how little fruit it bore? But did
I ever give up, or stop being God?
WS -- Not, not for Eternity. And now we know about it. Now
we are here.
HF -- I always had a Providence, for each time.
WS -- How close are we now?
HF -- You will see the more practical providences developing
(unfolding). We just finished saving the world. That's what
you came to do, wasn't it?
WS -- Yes, that's right. For three generations.
By the way, what is that Plan of the Mastermind of All
that You mentioned at the beginning.
HF -- You shall be a prophet. Prophet of the Most High.
WS -- I am honored. I am not good enough. How shall I
become better?
HF -- Fast.
A baby in the womb. [An image of someone walking
gingerly, with a baby on a pillow]
WS -- Okay, I guess it's time now. (1:41 am, 1997.9.26., NE
Cont. HQ Office, Moscow)
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